Kentucky Sports Radio
[Moderated by Matt Jones]
[Moderated by Matt Jones]
We would be remiss if we did not mention the biggest news of the day, the fact “unearthed” by Jerry Tipton, that Billy Clyde has yet to sign a formal contract. Let me first of all say that I dont blame Tipton for “digging up” this story as some around the UK fanbase seem to be doing today. When something is legitimately news, I dont think you shoot the messenger for that news solely because you dont like his general style. There is no doubt in my mind that Tipton is extremely negative in his coverage the majority of the time and is very apt to dig up stories that simply arent news to try and make a splash (think Azubuike’s dad or Rondo’s car). In those cases, Tipton deserves the scorn he gets and his “nattering nabob of negativism” label is entirely appropriate. But here, the fact that Billy Clyde has not yet signed a contract after being on the job for over seven months is worthy of news coverage and raises some interesting issues.
According to the article, Billy Clyde is currently operating under the “Memorandum of Understanding” that was originally agreed upon at the time of his hiring and outlines the general parameters of the deal. But as of now, there has yet to be an agreement on finalized terms that would complete the contract and lead to its signing. The terms in which the parties are apart are unknown at time and could only be determined via speculation. Yet it is worth noting that this is a great deal of time for a coach to go without signing a contract. Nick Saban went 6 months without getting the deal done at Alabama, but then finally put pencil to paper…..as of yet that hasnt happened here.
It is important however for fans not to assume negativity due to the lack of an agreement. Jerry Tipton (bringing out the part of him that is frustrating) mentions that it is a “glaring omission” that there is no morals clause in the Memorandum of Understanding…..however one would never expect to find such a clause in a document like this. If Billy Clyde were to have a serious violation before a clause was agreed upon in the final contract, UK would have just clause to terminate the agreement in any event. The lack of such language at this point says nothing, beyond the obvious hint by Tipton that he personally believes it is needed. We have no idea what the sticking point is in the negotations and I am sure most fans will take the intelligent path and not speculate at this time.
What is likely to occur however is that this story becoming public will prod the parties closer to a deal. This story is now on the front page of ESPN.com and will continue to be asked to Barnhart and Gillispie until a deal is agreed upon. Likely both parties know this and will have extra incentive to make the final agreements necessary to get the deal done. It would not surprise me at all to see a deal finished within the next couple of weeks in order to put this story to bed. But if it drags on longer than that, through the season and in to the offseason, expect rival coaches to use it against UK in recruiting and the questions to linger. Now that this is public and front and center, both parties need to get this off the table. If they dont, and the disagreement is such that both sides are willing to take the public scrutiny and continue to submit to questions on the topic….well, then we may have a story worth following closely.
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November 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
FIRST !!!
November 16th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
Sign him baby
November 16th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Come on, sign that bitch, and get ‘er done!
November 16th, 2007 at 3:53 pm
Yeah, so ESPN runs with Jerry Tipton stories now? Wow, who would’ve thought?
November 16th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Nice article Matt. It is a legit story, but likely not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.
Good call on Tipton’s “glaring omission” also. He obviously has zero understanding of contracts / contract law.
I’m relieved to see his pattern of commenting on topics he knows absolutely nothing about remains in tact.
November 16th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
I recall someone at the Courier-Journal or Herald-Leader did a story on this back in the summer. They mentioned that it wasn’t uncommon for college coaches to do this…specifically mentioning Urban Meyer and maybe Billy D or Nick Saban. Another case of Tipton and ESPN taking a story and running with it.
November 16th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Im sure Gillispie isnt too concerned considering all the endorsements he is doing all over the state. He has so much money coming in he probably didnt realize the contract wasnt signed!
November 16th, 2007 at 4:24 pm
I know this doesn’t have any bearing but… can you imagine if Singleton had planned on signing with Kentucky and Tipton had released this story on the 13th?
Let’s just say… he would not have found his car in the Herald Leader parking lot. It would have been towed to Tallahassee.
November 16th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
This is exactly what we DON’T need right now. Regardless of the underlying reasons for this situation, it needs to be remedied.
November 16th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Can you sign contracts with a pencil?
November 16th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
I’d say they haven’t had time to sit down and do it yet since BCG has been digging us out of the hole that was left for him. Funny that nobody has brought that up.
November 16th, 2007 at 4:44 pm
11) That sounds about right.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:00 pm
Why should we sign him? He hasn’t won a regular season game yet!
November 16th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
I love the digging us out of a hole comment. We won 22 games last year. Hopefully we can get this done before other coaches start using it against us with potential recruits.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
As Matt stated, “We have no idea what the sticking point is in the negotations… ”
This just in…
11/16/07 4:35pm http://www.wkyt.com/Engravings - Rob Bromley is reporting for WKYT from Malones Restaurant on Tates Creek Drive that Bill Keightley has confirmed bathroom stall knife engravings found in the Men’s restroom do match engravings found recently in bathrooms around the UK Craft Center 2nd floor offices. To help save the program Keightley signaled to Bromley about the story through an “in huddle” head nod. Keightley also has confirmed the tip of Billy Clyde’s T A&M embossed pocket knife was reported to him as broken the morning of the 14th. According to the Malones bathroom attendant, the engravings surfaced after a late dinner and drinks the coach and his manager had on the 14th after a tough day (Meeks injury, loss of Singleton).
The engravings etched into back of the bathroom stall door:
“UK wanny me… Bring W.V. Soccer girl Cicchini, home to BCG”
Bromley went on to add that their is NO CONFIRMATION of a life threatening hip injury to Meeks, as previously reported on WVLK.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
Billy G stalling to see if the
Texas job opens up?
November 16th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Great…tipton can “unearth” crap like this but can’t find one shred of good news to report. Nothing on recruiting that is valid. Nice, tipton:^(
November 16th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
If Bill G was interested in the Texas job, why would he ever take this job? I think it has to do with the morals issue or clause that is needed. Don’t forget he likes to party a little bit.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:39 pm
non-story.
November 16th, 2007 at 5:51 pm
Are we still recruiting him?
November 16th, 2007 at 5:53 pm
No big deal. His contract is worth $20 million over 7 years.
It takes a while to Dot The I’s and Cross The T’s on $20 million contract.
November 16th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
I guess I’m the only one who sees this as a positive. Clearly Billy G and the administration trust each other enough to rely on their respective words.
November 16th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
this has nothing to do with Billy G, it has everything to do with lawyers trying to work out a deal that is best for their clients, and what is best for theirselves
November 16th, 2007 at 6:21 pm
The story is big enough to make the front page of ESPN online.
November 16th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
So who is Willie Warren signing with from the big 12??
November 16th, 2007 at 6:35 pm
Nevermind..oklahoma
November 16th, 2007 at 7:00 pm
[...] UK nation thinks this is a non-story, and they’re probably right. ASoB and KSR riff on the situation. [...]
November 16th, 2007 at 7:02 pm
Not a big deal. will happen when it happens.
November 16th, 2007 at 7:35 pm
It sucks that I have been banned to post as Clinton’s Memoirs(my nome de plum). But I’ll have you know that Bubba is alive and well in us all, regardless of whether we can land a big man on campus.
November 16th, 2007 at 7:45 pm
no wonder he still wears the belt! Sign the man. this is ridiculous.
November 16th, 2007 at 7:52 pm
BCG’s contract with UK is as lucrative as the Republicans’ Contract with America from the 90’s. Remember, when we won Championships.
Q.S. Happy 96th Birth Day Omega Psi Phi, Inc.: Nov. 17, 1911.
November 16th, 2007 at 8:30 pm
#20 That’s because lawyers get paid by the hour.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:09 pm
We got so much deadwood and have had so much deadwood upfront for so long that it looks like we are stacked when someone looks at us. That’s why we can’t get a Big to come to UK. The projects of Tubby.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
The Tubby Defense League is out in full force. How much do you guys get paid? Must be a lucrative position for you guys to be so dogged.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
How much per hour does the Tubby Defense League get paid? Just asking.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:30 pm
Did anyone notice that Scotland, BPatte, and David Shelton all operate under the “Memorandum of Sadism”? This allows them to work for the Univerity of Tennessee boosters without a written contract connection.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Going Into This Season, Top 20 Team (All-Time) Edit | Reply
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Clipped from Cincy athletics site…
NCAA All-Time Winningest Men’s Basketball Programs
No. School (Yrs.) Record Pct.
1. Kentucky (104) 1948-608-1 .762
2. N. Carolina (97) 1914-696 .733
3. Kansas (109) 1906-782 .709
4. Duke (102) 1818-802 .694
5. Syracuse (106) 1704-782 .685
6. Temple (111) 1668-935 .641
7. St. John’s (100) 1659-831 666
8. Penn (107) 1634-913-2 .641
9. UCLA (88) 1611-713 .693
10. Indiana (107) 1610-876 .648
11. Notre Dame (102) 1605-885-1 .645
12. Utah (99) 1595-833 .657
13. Oregon St. (106) 1570-1137 .580
14. Illinois (102) 1569-824 .656
15. Western Ky (88) 1548-764 .670
16. Washington (105) 1548-1021 .603
17. Princeton (107) 1533-949 .618
18. Cincinnati 1531-887 .633
Texas (101) 1532-926 .623
20. Louisville (93) 1529-816 .652
NOTE: As of the start of the 2007-08 season.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:37 pm
Leonard Washington got cleared today. MM is reporting they are in talks with UK…Says he a monster down low…Could play for a team as early as midseason.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Hopson DID NOT sign.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
UK is the #1 program in terms of W-L (%) record. 1950 W out of 2560 games (all-time) for 76.2% success.
The last 10 seasons, UK was 263-83 for 76% success. The past 5, 131-40 for 76.6% success.
So far this year, 1-1.
November 16th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Is their a scholarship Washington could use this year? That would be interesting to see the shuffle that would be done to accommodate him in the fold.
My only issue with him is the 6′ 6″ thing. And yes, I know Chuck Hayes was 6′ 6″, but lets leave good ole Chuck in a league all his own in this discussion.
Also, did anyone watch the first half of the 2KSports Coaches vs. Cancer Tourny: Memphis vs. UConn? Ugly hack ball. No respect street ball. Call it what you want, I call it ugly.
18th ranked Arkansas just got smoked by Providence in Puerto Rico by 16.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
#36 you need to watch some videos on LW, you will be impressed
November 16th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
9 points, 10 assists, 7 rebounds for Rondo
November 16th, 2007 at 10:37 pm
I think (not 100%) sure that Coury is a walk-on again, leaving the 13th scholarship open.
November 16th, 2007 at 10:59 pm
Does any video exist other than whats on Rivals or the 1 YouTube 40 seonds worth?
I’d like to watch that entire adidas Vegas game. It looks similar to the place that Washington got in the startdown with Fortson. If no one can come up with that game, can we at leasst get a post of the Washington Fortson bump staredown? Please?
November 16th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
If you go to MM site someone has posted a link to watch LW at the USC elite camp, rather impressive…Also its been said, in terms of schollys available, there may be 1-3 transfers this year..One being Carter to WKU, and tccat also mentioned UNC..For some reason Roy wants him..UNC can have em..ha
November 16th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
God I hate MM’s site… lol
Slowest formums on the planet. They need an IT guy also
November 16th, 2007 at 11:30 pm
Washington likes LSU and New Mexico as his Top 2 right now.
November 16th, 2007 at 11:37 pm
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=701425&ssf=1&RequestedURL=h ttp%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f701425.html ……….hopson didnt sign, he said he’s not ready………..id be interested to hear more about washington too, as well as carter to wku or nc, as someone mentioned earlier
November 16th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
OK I take it back… I love MM’s site… got to see some Leonard Washington Video…
Yummy!!!
November 17th, 2007 at 12:11 am
I know we are a basketball school 1st but I am amazed that there are no football posts on the day before an absolutely huge game.
November 17th, 2007 at 12:23 am
i agree gocsts!!!!!!……we play one of the hottest teams in football tommorrow, and its a very very important game to our program…….
November 17th, 2007 at 1:00 am
Scotland get informed, hear we may know by tomorrow whether he’s coming..He’s spoken to UK tonight and MM says it went great
November 17th, 2007 at 1:22 am
48, seriously?…….not sure how i feel about that…..i hope its a good thing though…..great until proven bad i guess……
November 17th, 2007 at 1:22 am
Tayshaun 16 points 9 rebounds in a loss
Kelenna 10 points 7 rebounds in a win
November 17th, 2007 at 7:07 am
54) That is old news, it has not been updated in a while; he was talking to kentucky as early as yesterday; I think we are in the control seat here.
November 17th, 2007 at 8:04 am
15 that was funny.
November 17th, 2007 at 8:42 am
#53 Maggard is more often wrong than right.
November 17th, 2007 at 9:51 am
I do think recruiting is a tricky thing to predict, however he is usually very close…Guess we’ll see who is right today or tomorrow..Im hoping Im right.ha
November 17th, 2007 at 10:39 am
This is not a big deal at all, nor is it unusual to take this long.
I have negotiated and drafted several D-1 coaching contracts (including one where prior alcohol use was a major consideration). The “for cause” clauses are fairly standard and are not usually a stumbling block. The delay is usually due to the coach not having time to meet with his attorney to finalize the language, especially if the attorney is located elsewhere. Once the deal is struck and the coach is getting his paycheck, the actual contract is generally not a top priority for the coach.
November 17th, 2007 at 11:08 am
(Hoopmasters says) USC or UK are his 2 schools.
November 18th, 2007 at 11:45 am
At the game yesterday after “hob-knobbing” with some big wigs, I heard from the hordes mouth that Billy Clyde has a five year contract. So all the fans are going to have to give him time to impliment his program. Because DR. Todd said he would
November 18th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
No contract (yet) but 7 year MOU at $2.3 million per (plus incentives and bonuses).